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Kees Terberg
  • Kees Terberg
  • 20. 08. 2022 14:21
  • zadání upraveno: 07. 08. 2024 04:49

Modeling Madness

This is not really a discussion or a debate, but more like a rant and venting of my own frustrations. I am wondering if I am the only one with this opinion or if this is something that is also experienced by my fellow colleagues. 

For a long time, I only worked TFP. When photography was my profession, my job, my bread and butter, I used to exchange my services as a photographer with the services of a model. My camera gear needed to be paid for as I had a hefty loan outstanding to pay for the equipment and as photography was my only source of income, TFP became a means to work on non-commercial projects. During these sessions, we collaborated on artistic projects with the goal of obtaining images that would suit us both. To date, my best images were obtained through TFP sessions, even with extremely professional models. 

Ever since I moved to Prague and put my old paid off equipment back to use to shoot entirely as an amateur, I have met a lot of magnificent girls who use their modeling skills to earn some extra cash. Over my years in the Czech Capital, I have started to pay a set fee for up to 2 hours of fine art nude work. Many of these models have become friends and not all the sessions result in a paid exchange but still, I do not believe that the 2000czk that I offered for a session was a bad rate. The payment became a business transaction that facilitated the use of the obtained images in exhibitions and international publications. 

In my search for new faces, purely for the joy of working with light, a nice setting and a beautiful figure, I have come to one rather disturbing conclusion. An amateur photo model charges more than an experienced prostitute. Photo models are not prostitutes but a recent discussion with a pretty young lady who works in the escort industry, resulted in some pretty amazing images. With respect to the young lady, I will not be sharing any of the results on social media. Just to clarify, I was not aware of her profession but the website we used to hook up was more intended for sexual encounters rather than the arrangement of photo sessions. (Tinder)

The starting rate for an escort is around 40E/1000czk per hour. The lady offered any service that I requested and when I asked her to just let me photograph her, rather than use her body for gratifying my sexual fantasy, she was hesitant. We met for a drink and we ended up shooting body details where the photographed parts were difficult to recognize or anatomically place. The photo session was only agreed as she would not be recognized but the resulting images were personal and intimate. (www.adultprague.com)

The conversation that followed was an interesting one. She had friends and colleagues who would also be interested in working on fine art projects and be happy to work with me for a fraction of the agreed rate as long as no reference would be made to their actual profession.

In my inbox on FP I received various responses from models that I had contacted before. The rates that they quoted ranged from 1400czk per hour, with a minimum of 2 hours, to 500usd for a session without open legs. I have no intention to publish a picture book intended for gynecology students and anyone who is familiar with my work will know that I respect my models and never shoot anything that would compromise or degrade them in any way.

The current rates to work with an average model exceed the rates for an average prostitute. We are all shouting that fine art and nudity is not porn. Modeling is not prostitution and respect is essential. I love my models and I have enjoyed working with each and every one of them, but the rates that are currently being asked for by people without any of the grace, elegance or artistic ambitions that I was used to, will make me think twice about working with a paid photo model. 

What is your opinion on the current range of "professional" models and the rates that they charge? My time of working with these new "professionals" has come to an end as they do not offer anything inspirational, new or worth their fee. Perhaps I stand alone with this verdict but I had to vent it regardless. Thank you for bearing with me and for having read my thoughts. 


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Go4Conceptual

It is useless to discuss here whether modelling is an easy job or not and who should pay whom and for what and whether to pay at all, all of this is determined solely by market demand 

Right now there are far more photographer requests for modeling than models asking for photos

So no wonder modeling rates are skyrocketing

 

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Tomki69

Reakce na Heyny: I have no problem with paying from time to time, depending on what I s...

My experience is very similar...

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jipo
so, you have created a forum to discuss prices. it’s funny. I am here for more than 15 years. I really don’t remember if or when i paid for a model. Maybe travel expenses, I really don’t remember. FP was almost tfp-only. But later paying photographers arrived, at first for nudes only (of course). So models reacted. Both sides pretending serious work on the hobby server. Because modeling is hard (hm, really? what exactly is hard? maybe the only hard thing is to shoot something that you don’t like for the money ;-) so, enjoy this "reputable” industry and its rates…

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Kees Terberg

Reakce na Heyny: I have no problem with paying from time to time, depending on what I s...

Exactly. It appears that we are thinking along the same lines and share the same opinion. Thanks buddy!

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Kees Terberg

Reakce na jipo: twitter.com/terriblemaps/status/1117449688653991936?s=21&t=wDiZ_VpUM27...

70.7/1 000 000 is still a remarkably low number. I am personally acquainted with a few and I have great admiration for them. I absolutely adore my models like Adele Unicorn and Mia Solis who have made quite a reputation for themselves in the industry. 

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Heyny

I have no problem with paying from time to time, depending on what I shoot.

But, what makes me sad, are the new girls. I intentionally write girls, not models. But they do not hesitate to ask for high rates, they are not interested at all what we are about to shoot, they do not care of the results. The only(!) motivation is money. Easy money. I know modelling is a hard job, if done properly. But there are crowds of girls all around who think, that if they take off the clothes, they are models. No way...

That is why I prefer to work with models, that I know for years. I love to shoot without watching the clock and everybody is satisfied. I "have" some 10-15 models I cooperate regurarly with and I am happy they are eager to shoot with me. As everybody else, I try a new face from time to time, but it must be worth it.

So, to make it short, if I decide to buy a Mercedes I only buy mercedes, not Dacia for the price of Mercedes. It is that easy.

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Go4Conceptual

Reakce na Lotte: When did you start paying your models? You know the industry and there...

Who pays makes the rules and therefore it's always better to pay 3:)

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Christian

Kees, I have never paid or offered to pay models. Ok, if it was a commercial photo then yes, but otherwise no. I use analog cameras and the price of some photos is quite high for them due to the price of negatives, chemicals,... papers. So I'm looking for coffee shops :-)

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Kees Terberg

Reakce na Lotte: When did you start paying your models? You know the industry and there...

True. I am not saying that one is better than the other. I am just surprised that some professions are becoming more expensive than others. Modelling and prostitution are both about offering services with your body but the differences are uncomparable. 

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Lotte

When did you start paying your models? You know the industry and there is a price for everything. If a fool is repared to pay it, the business opportunity can be realized. This works for art, models and also for prostitution. As long as there is a demand for it, someone is prepared to pay the price. 

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