Reakce na Kees Terberg: Hehehe, the only labels that I have are :old, old fashoned, and uninsp...
Labels are labels... but when I ask LaHala for informations about present trends of portrait and so on photography (what is new in last 20 years...) no reply long time...
No reply also reply hi hi hi...
Reakce na Lotte: I did not block anyone. My block list is empty.
I didn't write about blocking either, but about setting of your account visibility.Reakce na 4lt3r 3g0: You can find the settings in the "soukromí" section and there are seve...
I did not block anyone. My block list is empty.
Reakce na Lotte: I did not block anyone. I am not sure how to change the settings.
You can find the settings in the "soukromí" section and there are several options for displaying your profile to others (everyone, logged in only, friends, etc.).Reakce na Kees Terberg: Lotte has always been a close personal friend as well and I do not app...
I did not block anyone. I am not sure how to change the settings.
- Kees Terberg
- 03. 09. 2022 16:472022-09-03 16:47:02
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Lotte has always been a close personal friend as well and I do not appear to have access to her acccount either. I do not take this as an offense. I speak with her once a month over the phone and she assues me that she never blocked anyone. I believe her.
- Kees Terberg
- 03. 09. 2022 16:432022-09-03 16:43:05
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Reakce na jipo: so you attacked me, immediatley retreated (blocked me to not check you...
I have no access to LaHala's account or profile either. I am not sure if this is because she has a private account or because we areblocked. I must admit that I agree with her words and if we are blocked, I am sure that there has to be a good reason for that as well. I respect her choice.
- Kees Terberg
- 03. 09. 2022 16:402022-09-03 16:40:07
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Reakce na L. Hala: I can't agree more, the only difference is greed, you either pay your...
We are diverting from the main subject. I have noting against paying a traveling model and I recall from my days in France that it was often cheaper to fly a model over from the UK for a session than depend on an unreliable model from France. At the time a flight from London to Bordeaux cost less than a train tricket from Paris. We never discussed TPF but we spoke about collaboration. A model would come over to Bordeaux, get paid for participating in a workshop and would collaborate on projects that ran alongside the organized weekends. In Switzerland, France and Austria it has always been normal for a photographer to pay for a model as most models travel for a living. In the Netherlands, a traveling model was also always paid and in France, when I was working in France, I worked commercially with professional models and TFP on non commercial projects. Now that I am a full time amateur, I am happy with my current models. Most of them are traveling models as well and for personal reasons, if I shoot nudes with the intention to exhibit, I paid my models a set fee. None of them ever complained about my offers and I have worked with some mindboggling models who are featured in international publications and can sometimetimes be spotted in the works that are featured in the same exhibitions where I display my work. A recent publication of the Australian Fine Art magazine Angels is proof of that. Three of the featured models in one single publication were Czech. The biggest advantage of a paid session, is that the photographer retains 100% of the rights of the images obtained duringa a session. In case of a TFP session, the rights are shared. The question remains: what is the final objective and who benefits most? Greed is human.
- Kees Terberg
- 03. 09. 2022 16:262022-09-03 16:26:29
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Reakce na jipo: potrefena husa? :-) it is not discussion about nudity, but about MONEY...
I am Dutch. The Netherlands used to be a very open and liberal country till the Islam was integrated into society. This happened rather fast in all teh very liberal countries like the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, German and France. Right now the Czech Republic is more liberal than any of the previously mentioned countries. Is it shyness? Nope, it is related to changes in society and liberty and freedom are slowly ebbing away. Times are changing. That is a fact.
- Kees Terberg
- 03. 09. 2022 16:232022-09-03 16:23:18
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Reakce na L. Hala: You're a really funny fellow, preaching here hateful chauvinism like a...
Hehehe, perhaps that should be a new title to add to my list. Hobby porn photographer... but on second thought... no thanks... I prefer to stick to my old fashioned ways where the ideas are more explicit than the actual images themselves.
- Kees Terberg
- 03. 09. 2022 16:212022-09-03 16:21:15
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Reakce na The Unique Stereotypes: Don't take it too personally. They are not satisfied with selfies only...
Hehehe, the only labels that I have are :old, old fashoned, and uninspiring... .I guess that with a set of labels like that... it is better to have deep pockets... and good friends ;)
Reakce na L. Hala: The world has gone mad and or I'm too old fashioned to understand the...
The world is not as simple as it seems...
Reakce na jipo: yeah, it always end in the same way. Now we "know" that your are a gre...
yeah, aways the same way ;)
Reakce na L. Hala: I can't agree more, the only difference is greed, you either pay your...
yeah, it always end in the same way. Now we "know" that your are a great model, its really impressive that you were in those countries,great. Your magnificence is far beyond Fotopatracka reach so we fully understand why you have this anonymous and almost empty profile. It's really shame that I can't pay you for....somethingReakce na L. Hala: I can't agree more, the only difference is greed, you either pay your...
so you attacked me, immediatley retreated (blocked me to not check your portfolio for possible gems) and now you agree.....fine, greed is a bitch ;-)Reakce na jipo: potrefena husa? :-) it is not discussion about nudity, but about MONEY...
I can't agree more, the only difference is greed, you either pay your models for their efforts or you don't ;) and you're right, there aren't many similar countries like this one, I don't remember ever getting TFP offers from Singapore, Germany, Switzerland or Denmark, always for money, but you know what, the fun was never lacking either :))
Anyway, I also know your version of fun... :O
...sometimes I convince one of these young and ambitious photographer to take a picture for free, like my brother's café, my cosmetics for sale or friend's wedding, and it's great fun when it works out ;)
Yeah, greed is simply a bitch :D
Reakce na jipo: potrefena husa? :-) it is not discussion about nudity, but about MONEY...
but anyway thanks that you have checked my web. yes, I have this set there. maybe others that don't agree with me can check that web too, its always nice to have more visitors :-) and guess what, it was tfp, bacause it was funReakce na L. Hala: You're a really funny fellow, preaching here hateful chauvinism like a...
potrefena husa? :-) it is not discussion about nudity, but about MONEY. Or about money for nudity, if you wish. Do you think that models in similar countries are more shy? I don't think so. only greed makes the difference ;-)Reakce na jipo: For me it still works (maybe because I am shooting less than before) b...
You're a really funny fellow, preaching here hateful chauvinism like a radical bible seller but shooting pure porn by yourself :)))
We may have 15x more porn stars than anywhere else but definitely 100x more hobby porn photographers :D
Reakce na Kees Terberg: You are right, LaHala pinpointed the issue perfectly. I am too old fas...
For me it still works (maybe because I am shooting less than before) but I also provided an alternative answer right in my first comment (link to the maps, showing that here are 15x more pornstars than everywhere else except Hungary). You answered that it is low for you. But it is definitely not normal in a developed country. Don't pretend that normal modeling is not deformed by it. There is a czech saying, something about that czech girls are the nicest (in a romantic way), but thats not true. Low morale, easy money, our girls are cheap (well, if you are not a hobbyist :-) You are a foreigner, so a potential money bag. Sad but true. It is really difficult to not meet some pornstar, they are everywhere. You go shopping, oh, there is a pornstar. It is actually funny to randomly find how many models you shoot in past are "stars" now. Is it something to be proud of? well, not really....


This is not really a discussion or a debate, but more like a rant and venting of my own frustrations. I am wondering if I am the only one with this opinion or if this is something that is also experienced by my fellow colleagues.
For a long time, I only worked TFP. When photography was my profession, my job, my bread and butter, I used to exchange my services as a photographer with the services of a model. My camera gear needed to be paid for as I had a hefty loan outstanding to pay for the equipment and as photography was my only source of income, TFP became a means to work on non-commercial projects. During these sessions, we collaborated on artistic projects with the goal of obtaining images that would suit us both. To date, my best images were obtained through TFP sessions, even with extremely professional models.
Ever since I moved to Prague and put my old paid off equipment back to use to shoot entirely as an amateur, I have met a lot of magnificent girls who use their modeling skills to earn some extra cash. Over my years in the Czech Capital, I have started to pay a set fee for up to 2 hours of fine art nude work. Many of these models have become friends and not all the sessions result in a paid exchange but still, I do not believe that the 2000czk that I offered for a session was a bad rate. The payment became a business transaction that facilitated the use of the obtained images in exhibitions and international publications.
In my search for new faces, purely for the joy of working with light, a nice setting and a beautiful figure, I have come to one rather disturbing conclusion. An amateur photo model charges more than an experienced prostitute. Photo models are not prostitutes but a recent discussion with a pretty young lady who works in the escort industry, resulted in some pretty amazing images. With respect to the young lady, I will not be sharing any of the results on social media. Just to clarify, I was not aware of her profession but the website we used to hook up was more intended for sexual encounters rather than the arrangement of photo sessions. (Tinder)
The starting rate for an escort is around 40E/1000czk per hour. The lady offered any service that I requested and when I asked her to just let me photograph her, rather than use her body for gratifying my sexual fantasy, she was hesitant. We met for a drink and we ended up shooting body details where the photographed parts were difficult to recognize or anatomically place. The photo session was only agreed as she would not be recognized but the resulting images were personal and intimate. (www.adultprague.com)
The conversation that followed was an interesting one. She had friends and colleagues who would also be interested in working on fine art projects and be happy to work with me for a fraction of the agreed rate as long as no reference would be made to their actual profession.
In my inbox on FP I received various responses from models that I had contacted before. The rates that they quoted ranged from 1400czk per hour, with a minimum of 2 hours, to 500usd for a session without open legs. I have no intention to publish a picture book intended for gynecology students and anyone who is familiar with my work will know that I respect my models and never shoot anything that would compromise or degrade them in any way.
The current rates to work with an average model exceed the rates for an average prostitute. We are all shouting that fine art and nudity is not porn. Modeling is not prostitution and respect is essential. I love my models and I have enjoyed working with each and every one of them, but the rates that are currently being asked for by people without any of the grace, elegance or artistic ambitions that I was used to, will make me think twice about working with a paid photo model.
What is your opinion on the current range of "professional" models and the rates that they charge? My time of working with these new "professionals" has come to an end as they do not offer anything inspirational, new or worth their fee. Perhaps I stand alone with this verdict but I had to vent it regardless. Thank you for bearing with me and for having read my thoughts.