Reakce na Go4Conceptual: Well, I'm pretty sure most of the models will be another ten years old...
I think its right...:)))
- Go4Conceptual
- 08. 09. 2022 22:382022-09-08 22:38:07
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Reakce na Tomki69: Nobody knows that will happen in ten years...
Well, I'm pretty sure most of the models will be another ten years older :))
Reakce na Go4Conceptual: Nothing wrong with that at all, but at this trend, it won't last you a...
Nobody knows that will happen in ten years...
- Go4Conceptual
- 08. 09. 2022 14:102022-09-08 14:10:51
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Reakce na Tomki69: It seems our experience are completely differnt... Here is many models...
Nothing wrong with that at all, but at this trend, it won't last you another ten years :D
Reakce na Go4Conceptual: You can search for exceptions to make it look complex but the way I se...
It seems our experience are completely differnt... Here is many models as you call fossil categoriy... I like tak pictures with them...
- Go4Conceptual
- 08. 09. 2022 14:082022-09-08 14:08:14
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Reakce na Tomki69: There are simple but wrong answers to complex questions...
You can search for exceptions to make it look complex but the way I see it is simple, photo-models who're interested in photography and who only consider modeling as a source of money stay today in a 1:1000 ratio
Yes, there may be more exceptions here on FP, where models under 30 are a rare thing, but in general, nudity is the only thing you get paid for as a amateur photo-model. No one will ever pay even travel expenses to a portrait model. There's no point. You see a plenty of girls around who want to be an object of attention, why should you pay for what is for free? Of course, there is not much to expect from them. They're not interested in photography as an artistic discipline, they handsome and they like to stand in front of the camera, that's all :)
Today's photo-model is either the type who likes to be in the center of attention, which is great for portrait and free of charge or the one who's looking after a decent source of money. Then it's just the quality of her physique and the level of nudity which determine the rate
The third version, the one we all dream about, would represent a photo-model as a partner who actively co-creates your photographs and knows what it needs to do so, you'll only find it in the fossil department :D so nothing I would describe as complex ;)
Reakce na Go4Conceptual: Suddenly everyone is naive and old, no one understands why the modelin...
There are simple but wrong answers to complex questions...
Reakce na Go4Conceptual: Suddenly everyone is naive and old, no one understands why the modelin...
I think you are right.
- Go4Conceptual
- 08. 09. 2022 00:012022-09-08 00:01:41
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Reakce na Dannah: I know, I'm old and naive. But regardless, I still don't understand wh...
Suddenly everyone is naive and old, no one understands why the modeling world works the way it does, but honestly, I think everyone understands the principles very well, just disagrees with them :D
We all know that photographers pay mainly for taking off model's clothes, the younger the model is, the prettier the figure, the further apart the ankles, the bigger is the reward
Maybe it's not moral, maybe it's not even fair, but it's a reality brought about mainly by offers from photographers, they raised their models that way and they're still maintaining it
Reakce na 4lt3r 3g0: nemůžeš bejt tak starej abys nevěděl, co je to avantgarda. tohle je so...
...a mně se na ten věk tak dobře vymlouvalo :-)
I know, I'm old and naive. But regardless, I still don't understand why a girl who allows herself to be photographed should still get paid for it. And even rates in the thousands... For what? For coming and sitting or lying down somewhere? Or for taking off her clothes? Is that what they pay for today? After all, the photographer puts a lot more into the job - he had to buy the equipment, he spends time in post-production..., usually he is also the one who had the idea, chose the location, etc. What does the model give besides her time, that deserves to be paid? Grace? Beauty? Is it really considered to be normal to have to pay for this nowadays? Maybe soon we will be willing to pay for the air we breathe... Sad world.
I have been hobby-modelling for some time now. 99% of my photos were created by TFP. Regardless of whether it was portraits or nudes, which I also photographed before. I like to work with other people to realize their ideas, and at the same time I have enough of my own ideas and wishes for what I would like to create. But the frustration of the fact that, on the one hand, I help create beautiful photos, but on the other hand, unlike others, I am not able to ask for money for it, might stop me from doing it. I'm just old and naive...
Reakce na 61Medvěd: Už jsem prostě starej :-) I když ta druhá fotka...
nemůžeš bejt tak starej abys nevěděl, co je to avantgarda. tohle je současná odnož... navíc mám pocit, že spousta lidí má představu, že weird = art. vysvětluju si to tak, že často umění nechápou, jen registrují určitou divnost a pak začnou aplikovat tu rovnici. samozřejmě to trochu zlehčuju, ale ta podivnost jako fascinační prvek funguje a díky značné subjektivitě v umění obecně dá kolikrát člověku zabrat se přes ní prokousat. já jsem primitiv, takže mně to věšení bulíků občas přijde i docela trapné (protože často je pouze účelové), ale zase nepochybuju, že je i spousta výtvorů naprosto upřímnejch a asi to jsou opravdová díla, jen jsou mimo rozsah mého vnímání :-) je to složité, ale není to o věku...Reakce na 61Medvěd: Už jsem prostě starej :-) I když ta druhá fotka...
Nejseš starej, akorát máš jiná měřítka...
Myslím, že podobně je na tom spousta z nás...
Reakce na Kees Terberg: I will be attending the international photo fair Unseen Amsterdam agai...
Už jsem prostě starej :-)
I když ta druhá fotka...
- Kees Terberg
- 06. 09. 2022 15:142022-09-06 15:14:22
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I will be attending the international photo fair Unseen Amsterdam again in 2 weeks time. It is funny to see what is considered inspirational these days.
Reakce na jipo: "blurring the line between photography and graphics" will probably sha...
Yeah, I guess time will tell how much an authentic, well-crafted photo will be appreciated. I think the AI will pick up such momentum that it will be beyond the discerning ability of a large portion of observers to detect differences, especially on common platforms (instagram) and pocket displays.On the other hand, for me, as a dauber, it's a blessing. The generated scene as a building block is fine kind of entertainment for me at the moment. Plus, sometimes it spits out stuff that the human brain simply can't come up with, and inspiration strikes.
Reakce na Kees Terberg: I have no access to LaHala's account or profile either. I am not sure...
I had an access few hours ago, so i have seen that magnificience, so it was a deliberate profile change, but it does not matter now :-)Reakce na 4lt3r 3g0: But that's completely wrong. Will someone who wants to be original fol...
"blurring the line between photography and graphics" will probably sharply decline, photographs were under the presure of the graphics for few years, but with the arrival of AI generated imaginery, graphic artists are the ones under the pressure...to fight future generations of dall-e, midjourney will be easier when photography is more raw....Reakce na Tomki69: Labels are labels... but when I ask LaHala for informations about pres...
But that's completely wrong. Will someone who wants to be original follow something that has become a trend? I don't think so...The only thing that makes sense (imho) in the long run is to perceive new possibilities, learning of new techniques and pushing of the boundaries of what photography currently is. For me, blurring the lines between photography and graphics, taking into account the current modern possibilities of post-production, is what is "fresh". Of course I'm talking about fine art photography, not documentary or other necessarily strictly realistic photography.
This is not really a discussion or a debate, but more like a rant and venting of my own frustrations. I am wondering if I am the only one with this opinion or if this is something that is also experienced by my fellow colleagues.
For a long time, I only worked TFP. When photography was my profession, my job, my bread and butter, I used to exchange my services as a photographer with the services of a model. My camera gear needed to be paid for as I had a hefty loan outstanding to pay for the equipment and as photography was my only source of income, TFP became a means to work on non-commercial projects. During these sessions, we collaborated on artistic projects with the goal of obtaining images that would suit us both. To date, my best images were obtained through TFP sessions, even with extremely professional models.
Ever since I moved to Prague and put my old paid off equipment back to use to shoot entirely as an amateur, I have met a lot of magnificent girls who use their modeling skills to earn some extra cash. Over my years in the Czech Capital, I have started to pay a set fee for up to 2 hours of fine art nude work. Many of these models have become friends and not all the sessions result in a paid exchange but still, I do not believe that the 2000czk that I offered for a session was a bad rate. The payment became a business transaction that facilitated the use of the obtained images in exhibitions and international publications.
In my search for new faces, purely for the joy of working with light, a nice setting and a beautiful figure, I have come to one rather disturbing conclusion. An amateur photo model charges more than an experienced prostitute. Photo models are not prostitutes but a recent discussion with a pretty young lady who works in the escort industry, resulted in some pretty amazing images. With respect to the young lady, I will not be sharing any of the results on social media. Just to clarify, I was not aware of her profession but the website we used to hook up was more intended for sexual encounters rather than the arrangement of photo sessions. (Tinder)
The starting rate for an escort is around 40E/1000czk per hour. The lady offered any service that I requested and when I asked her to just let me photograph her, rather than use her body for gratifying my sexual fantasy, she was hesitant. We met for a drink and we ended up shooting body details where the photographed parts were difficult to recognize or anatomically place. The photo session was only agreed as she would not be recognized but the resulting images were personal and intimate. (www.adultprague.com)
The conversation that followed was an interesting one. She had friends and colleagues who would also be interested in working on fine art projects and be happy to work with me for a fraction of the agreed rate as long as no reference would be made to their actual profession.
In my inbox on FP I received various responses from models that I had contacted before. The rates that they quoted ranged from 1400czk per hour, with a minimum of 2 hours, to 500usd for a session without open legs. I have no intention to publish a picture book intended for gynecology students and anyone who is familiar with my work will know that I respect my models and never shoot anything that would compromise or degrade them in any way.
The current rates to work with an average model exceed the rates for an average prostitute. We are all shouting that fine art and nudity is not porn. Modeling is not prostitution and respect is essential. I love my models and I have enjoyed working with each and every one of them, but the rates that are currently being asked for by people without any of the grace, elegance or artistic ambitions that I was used to, will make me think twice about working with a paid photo model.
What is your opinion on the current range of "professional" models and the rates that they charge? My time of working with these new "professionals" has come to an end as they do not offer anything inspirational, new or worth their fee. Perhaps I stand alone with this verdict but I had to vent it regardless. Thank you for bearing with me and for having read my thoughts.