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Reakce na Klasa: I mean you are literally obtaining photos of a woman in her most delic...

The question is, why do women take pictures of such things?

Reakce na kutsmyda.khrystyna: I havent finished it all, but let me reply to you from a perspective a...

Your point of view is very simplistic. Photographers woudl like to shoot portraits with models. But there is noit much interest from models side. I didn't get any response to my ad to take exterier / interier portraits.... I am amamteur photographe but my portraits are not exactly bad. What is the problem?

 

Reakce na kutsmyda.khrystyna: I havent finished it all, but let me reply to you from a perspective a...

I mean you are literally obtaining photos of a woman in her most delicate form and you think 2000 czk is a fine price?

So you think it's a monetary issue? Who's making here models into whores?

Even 10k is not enough for modeling to shoddy photographs. Women's dignity is for sale or not, if so, then the price is just a matter of market demand

 

I havent finished it all, but let me reply to you from a perspective as a Professional Model who worked abroad and who has quite "enough" of experience in the field.

First compering a Model (A Woman ) with a Prostitute (rate wise) is not really professional from you and makes me quite angry to even read this.

So you think 2000 czk ( about 80 euros European standard ) should be okay for a Model, who does Nude? And 1400 czk per hour (where you can take up to "hundreds" photos) is not okay?

I mean you are literally obtaining photos of a woman in her most delicate form and you think 2000 czk is a fine price?

This is a ridiculous price and i mean if the women (girls) were fine with it...

Plus you are as a foreigner who knows the prices outside of Czech Republic, you know that this is cheap, very cheap and you get dissapointed because women want more money for being naked in the photos?

Then start shooting portraits, beauty, fashion and the problem is gone.

If You want Nudes - Pay for It. I mean you expose all of these photos promoting yourself dont you? You dont promote a Model, you Promote your work.

I dont do Nude neither Fine Art Nude and most likely never will, but if i would do it, i would charge way more then these girls.

Its not your naked photos will be around Internet for enternity.

I do hope this message gets to you from a Woman and a Model Perspective.

Peace

 

 

Some of the models here have become my best friends. I am currently even dating one of them but I already knew her before she offered her services as a model on this site. This topic is just based on current experiences. 

Reakce na Kees Terberg: In that case, I must admit that even though the models are not honest...

Actually, I like it when you can view the same things in different ways, approach it in different manners, often even with the same argumentation :)
It gives me hope that everything won't just tick in one direction and that everyone can find their own planet in this more and more bizarre universe :O
As long as that is the case, we can have confidence that the world hasn't gone as mad as it may sometimes seem :D

Reakce na Go4Conceptual: "Ever since my inital experience, I have yet to discover one model who...

In that case, I must admit that even though the models are not honest with me, they do remain happy to work with me every time. I am not referring to them being happy with all the images that I take as I only share the selected few that make it through my own rigorous selection process. 

1) Is the photo original? In most cases yes. In some cases it might look like something that was taken before by someone else, famous or not. 

2) Do I look great? In most cases in my work, the model becomes a subject and yes, they tend to look great. I must admit that I photograph them the way I see them rather than the way they wish to be seen by themselves. 

3) I am just an amateur with a few years of professional experience. My name and reputation will not benefit anyone. The results are often more famous than the person behind the camera. I like to keep it that way. You will find my work in a few international publications, in galleries, and in national archives. Sir Elton John owns some of my images and there is even a model picture featured in the permanent collection of the Tower Bridge in London. My work has been sold to international companies and is featured on the walls of some restaurants, hotels and various private manors. My work is well known. The proceeds have gone to charities that have benefited from it in remarkable ways. 

4) Admiration is the goal. But the images should be fit for walls rather than to be stored under the bed. 

5) The picture is a picture featuring a model. Many viewers will recognize themselves in it rather than the model. All the images that have sold well are ones where the model can not be recognized. I guess that I am a bad photographer for the models in that case. 

7) Where the view stops, the fantasy contines. If there is nothing left for the imagination, the image becomes boring. 

Reakce na Kees Terberg: You are right, but as I am used to working TFP and have experienced th...

"Ever since my inital experience, I have yet to discover one model who is not happy with the results"

WOW :O ...this statement is a pretty clear one about how models have it with their honesty :D
That's pretty unrealistic to be the truth, probably none of them had ever the self-confidence to say it wasn't their cup of tea ;)
I highly doubt all other people would react the same way, no one always likes everything

I wouldn't overestimate how models evaluate photographs, it's a far different way than photographers do, their criteria are different :)

" does this photograph look like some famous one? "
" do I look great or even better than in reality in this photograph? "
" an the name of the photographer help me in some way? "
" will anyone admire me for the way I'm looking in this photograph? "
" will this photograph help me to be seen as a real model (or even artist)? "
...or in cases where their ankles are a little bit wider apart
" It's a nice photograph, you can't actually see anything " :)))

After all, you can say, even though they like to be part of the process of making photography, they're rarely interested in photography as such :)

That's why I don't like TFP, in addition to all the other already mentioned problems with unfulfilled expectations, it's just too hard to take good photographs when they' re supposed to appeal to these values. I've learned to ignore them and just pay for the modeling, at the end, it works easier, at least with those models who, apart from earning money, mainly like to stand in front of the camera with an honest joy ;)

Reakce na Go4Conceptual: I'm afraid a lot of these problems are sort of home-made :) I'm offer...

You are right, but as I am used to working TFP and have experienced that I had images printed which the (paid) model hated, I exhibited the works with a double feeling. If I share work which the model (even if she was paid) dislikes for whatever reason, I prefer to withdraw them. Paid or not, the work involves both the photographer and the featured model. Ever since my inital experience, I have yet to discover one model who is not happy with the results. The images I share are of a resolution which is good enough for FP, social media or e-mailing but not quite up to the standard of a good A4 sized print. 

Reakce na Kees Terberg: Let’s just take a recent photo session with a new model from the begin...

I'm afraid a lot of these problems are sort of home-made :)

I'm offering a fee but never my photographs, although I've also heard from some models, that other photographers pay for modeling and then add a few photographs to it. I don't do it, never !!
As written in the model release, all rights to the photographs belong 100% to me ;) the model receives a fee but not a single photograph !I so I don't need to lead any discussions about what she expected to get or what photographs she likes. I don't do that, a model is paid for modeling, not for her artistic judgement :D

To be honest, I don't know about most of the troubles you described here. Now and then a model looks different than in her profile pictures or doesn't show up to a shooting, that's it. But both not very often ;)

I just think that the rules of the game are not to be made with models together :D you should be more assertive in your own concerns and less receptive to a debate. For me, it's better not to skimp on fees, and not to compromise on my own ideas ;)

The situation has become worse. Many girls think that you can't shoot without them, so I tell everyone that I take photos on analog and will explain her what does it mean, with the understanding that if she use the photos, then only with my name. She won't get the photos the next day, but when I develop film and have a time to look at on that negative,... , and we'll immediately tell each other what she wants - whether photos for the net and which network - i.e. Instagram, Facebook,... or her own presentation somewhere.  I don't want money from girls for polaroids and negatives, so situation is very easy. Yeah- and have to meet with her first to be sure who will be in front of my lenses. :-) A situation is different now, most of girsl wants just nice snaps for instagram, faceboook,... and they are surprised to see their photos on exhibitions, in books ,.. generally public places, :-) 

Let’s just take a recent photo session with a new model from the beginning to the end.

Me: Hello, I like your profile and was wondering if you would be interested in working with me. Please fill me in on your terms and conditions for an outdoor fine art nude session.

Model: I am an international traveling model and my availability depends on the dates that you have in mind. My rates for nude are 60E per hour with a minimum of 2 hours. For 40E extra I will shoot open legs and erotic.

Me: Thank you, I am not interested in open legs or erotic. Please have a look at my profile for the style of work that I shoot. I would like to work with you for about an hour next weekend. I offer a fixed rate of 2000czk per session. Will you be willing to work with me for that rate?

Model: I don’t shoot outdoors and definitely not public nude. I will have the option to use a studio for 500czk per hour.

Me: OK, we can plan a 2 hour session in the studio but it is likely to take about one hour rather than 2. Fee including the studio for 2 hours, 3000czk.

Model: What outfits and make-up would you like me to wear?

Me: None, I shoot nudes, I don’t shoot glamour. If you want to use make-up, please keep it as natural and basic as possible. No nail varnish, no lipstick, no mascara, no wigs. No outfits, no lingerie, no accessories, no jewellery.

Model: OK

The date of the session arrives and the model sends me a message that she will be later as she had a rough night and slept through her alarm. She arrives about 40 minutes late. The studio is basic but reasonably equipped. It takes me about 20 minutes to set up the backdrop and the lights.

We shoot for about 15 minutes. Have a 10 minute break for the model to respond to her IG, FB and Whatsapp messages, toilet and cigarette break. We continue shooting a range of poses and try to play with lights and angles. This time we shoot for 20 minutes before we take a break again to change the backdrop and lighting. We shoot for 5 more minutes and then restore the studio to its default settings.

The model reads and signs the release form and I offer her the agreed payment. After telling her that I will send her a link with my selection of images from the session that I like and that she will have 7 days to inform me of any images that she does not like or wish me to use, our ways part.

Returning home, the images are downloaded and sorted. The usable images are copied to an online drive and a link is sent to the model.

Model: Please tag me if you use my images.

Model: Please do not share my nude images anywhere uncensored.

Model: When will you send me the edited images?

Model: I have now waited a whole week. When can I expect my images?

Model: Please send me the high resolution files as soon as possible. I like these files (range of numbers provided).

 

 

It is funny that I am getting a lot of TFP sessions from people from abroad who want to be photographed in the amazing city of Prague (including some pretty well known traveling models - eg recently from France, UK, USA and Mexico). I guess that the local models have just gotten used to the view and don't really want any pictures of themselves taken by photographers. The fashion on IG is still to take selfies with a phone. If a model does not want the pictures taken by a photographer, I can understand that they demand a payment. I am however surprised about the fact that some models with whom I worked last spring against payment, are now complaining about the limited number of images or prints that I have provided.I generally offer my models access to my personal selection of images from the session, but I am surprised that some have the audacity to demand both payment as well as a remarkable selection of edited images for their private use. The current demands are beyond my conventional ways. My general response:" I thought that we agreed the session against payment rather than TFP" is usually responded to with the words "But all photographers give me at least all the edited images within a few days". The differences between TFP and against payment appear to be getting blurrier as time progresses. 

Reakce na Chasin the Trane: Bylo to domluvené placeně, relativně fotící.

Kdyby přišly všechny tři, musel by jsi se ukázat jako formát a zaplatit všem. :-D
Ale že nepřijdou na placené focení, to je už na pováženou, kam se to zvrtává.

Reakce na Chasin the Trane: Bylo to domluvené placeně, relativně fotící.

zajímavá myšlenka si domluvit na jeden čas více modelek, ještě jsem nezkoušel ;-) a měl jsi je vybrané tak, aby případně fungovaly i dohromady a nebo jsi od začátku počítal s "odpadem"?

já mám tady z FP vesměs dobré zkušenosti, "no show" nastane tak jeden z dvaceti domluvených focení... ale mám ve zvyku napsat den před focením potvrzovací zprávu a pokud na ni nedostanu odpověď tak už vím, že na 99% nedorazí...

horší zkušenost mám z jiných portálů - z pojdfotit je no show tak 50%... už jsem nad ním v podstatě zlomil hůl... a možná horší zkušenost mám s IG, ale já ho na domlouvání modelek moc nepoužívám... ale občas narážím na zajímavé profily, takže jdu zkouknout odkaz od Christiana a zamyslet se nad tím, jestli to taky není cesta... ale zase tím jak tam nejsou reference, tak si nemám jak ověřit spolehlivost.

Bylo to domluvené placeně, relativně fotící.

Reakce na Chasin the Trane: Já myslel tu gaussovku jinak, 20% se ti líbí, 60% je normál a 20% fote...

Bylo to TFP, nebo jsi měl platit?
A co to bylo za modelky?
Tady často fotící?
Nebo začátečnice?
Pěkné, připravené ve formě, nebo jen nanynky toužící po snadném výdělku za ukázání kůže?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHZ5efUJEH4 Pár rad do ze světa . :-)